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Votes: 12

 wiccan woes

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Mar 28, 2002
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So, I tried casting a spell.
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I decided to start with one found here:
Invocation of the Elements
Air, Fire, Water, Earth,
Elements of astral birth,
I call you now; attend to me!
In the Circle, rightly cast,
Safe from curse or blast,
From cave and desert,sea and hill,
By wand, blade,and pentacle,
I call you now, attend to me!
This Is my will, so mote it be!
Nothing seemed to happen, but now I feel really stupid. Can you guys help?

       
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It didn't work for me either. (none / 0) (#1)
by JoePain on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 03:25:17 PM PST
I was sure you did it wrong :)

My bad.

 
Wicca is not recommended. (none / 0) (#2)
by moriveth on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 03:59:43 PM PST
Anyone with the slightest familiarity with the occult knows the truth: Wicca is a fraud.

Of late, I have had the most success with the methodology practiced by the Temple of Set. If you're more than a mere dilettante, I suggest you investigate them for the furtherance of your spiritual quest. Best of luck.

 
I can't scan it. (4.00 / 1) (#3)
by elenchos on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 04:07:14 PM PST
You can sort of squeeze six syllables out of the first line, but I think it is meant to be five, sort of matching line 5. Although that doesn't exactly help. After you make it past the awkward first line, you kind of settle into sevenish or eightish syllables per line, until line five. The think it, why is that line short? "Safe from curse or blast" is just a clause at the middle of the second sentence, sort of qualifying the situation. I suppose it is to emphasize the that it is a call for safety. The rhyme hill/pentacle is kind of uncomfortable too.

My guess is that you're working with doggerel here. Can you do something about that and try again?


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

 
Advice (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by walwyn on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 04:12:27 PM PST
  1. Were properly dressed for the occasion?
  2. Did you have your familiar to hand?
  3. Were you using the correct herbs.
  4. Were you reciting the spell in the proper language?
  5. Did you have your wand grasped firmly in your hand (In times of emergency you can use your joystick)?
HTH


 
Thanks!! (3.00 / 1) (#5)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 04:19:33 PM PST
My penis feels a lot heavier!

 
Dude- (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by JoePain on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 05:35:35 PM PST
You got owned by that guy S.R.
You must enjoy pain.

 
You're doing it wrong (none / 0) (#7)
by jvance on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 06:26:58 PM PST
The spell does not work for unbelievers. Your failure shows your lack of faith.
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Belief? (none / 0) (#8)
by Shinkansen on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 07:05:50 PM PST
See, I think that you have had to be Cathloic at one time to really get the spell to work. Coming from any other religion won't give you enough gullibility to actually believe that stuff like that is real... I mean, if you can believe that someone can alter crackers and wine into blood and a body with out physical change or change in taste.. BY GOD, You could do ANYTHING!!!!

(obviously, i was rasied as Cathloic)



Shinkansen!!
Because 30,000 burning nuns can't be wrong...

 
What? (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 07:20:14 PM PST
You were expecting pretty bells and whistles? Buy Windows XP. Wicca is something else.

 
something missing (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by S R on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 07:58:24 PM PST
I'm sure you are not happy to see me here, but perhaps I can add a little to this.

First off...that was a poem, not a spell. Spellcrafting involves a great deal more than just a few words and a little intent. Second off, that is properly an evocation, not an invocation. As an invocation, you would notice no changes. As an evocation, at most you might notice some response from the elements called upon -- a slight gust of wind, warmth, calm, whatever. Mind you, I stress the word "might" here.

There is a great deal missing in this spell, if that is actually what it is meant to be. From the style, wording, and type of application, I would say this was not a spell but instead a simple prayer (or even command depending on the individual) asking for assistance from the elements.

Is this the extent of the spell? Did you leave off anything you did in your post? If not and this is the "complete" spell, well it is no wonder you didn't accomplish anything. In all likelihood, no one would.

Of course, you are entering into magical theory and leaving the bounds of "strictly Wiccan" practices.

S R! (none / 0) (#12)
by nathan on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 08:23:41 PM PST
Of course I'm happy to see you. You're obviously interested in controversy. So am I!

I'm doing my level best to get sufficiently initiated into wicca to talk about it meaningfully (without, of course, doing anything that is dangerous to my relationship to God or the Church.) I don't want to continue being ignorant. Please tell me more about what I should do to understand wicca better!

Thanks,
Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

God and Wicca (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by S R on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 09:23:51 PM PST
I doubt very seriously your God would care too much if you became initiated in Wicca. On the other hand, the Church might want your head.




No, of course not (none / 0) (#19)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 11:25:09 PM PST
The first commandment, that was just filler. He really doesn't give a damn if you worship false idols and forest creatures. I don't know about you, but I'm off to follow some false prophets. What would God care?

Interesting Point (none / 0) (#23)
by S R on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 08:43:33 AM PST
How do we determine false gods and idols? I'm not sure there are any religions that actually worship idols. Instead, they use the idols as a reminder of their worship of the actual god. Similar to the use of the cross, rosary, and crucifix by Christians.

False gods? Are those the gods not mentioned in the Bible? If we look at the Bible we find the existence of many deities (Elohim being the plural of Eloah, God). I've stated this before in another comment, but I'll state it again here. The universe was created by the gods. Once finished they showed the Lord God (God proper for Christians) their work, and he was pleased. He then breathed life into the work of the gods, thus filling it with spirit.

Some further support, from the Bible:

"Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:10-12) [Jesus Christ speaking of a Pagan Centurion]

And:

"Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, `Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, The One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you" (Acts 17:22-23)

Now, I won't get into a rant about the sins of judgement of others, by Christians. Nor will I get into the fact that no Christian can truly know their God (due to the very nature of their God), for all their want and desire to. But considering this, it seems to me that Wiccans and Christians share the same God. For the Wiccans believe there is a single true deity, of which the Gods and Goddesses are but reflections by which men relate to the single true deity. We do not need to get into names, after all Christians, Jews, and Muslims all call God by different names.

Now on to the First Commandment:

"Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."

Now what does this mean? For some it means do not worship any false gods. For others it means that the Lord God comes first in worship. And still for others it means that the Lord God was the first of all the gods, and is the Father/Mother/Uncreated-Creator, etc. And still for others it means, that temples dedicated to the Lord God should not also be the place of worship for any other gods. It is left up to interpretation by the individual. Some interpret it alone, others interpret it based upon all of the information in the Bible.

Nathan: readme. (none / 0) (#26)
by tkatchev on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 11:51:17 AM PST
Nathan, please kick his ass. I'm too tired to read all of it.

Thank you very much, really.


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Peace and much love...

Yes, Nathan (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by S R on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 03:24:05 PM PST
Please do Nathan. I've been awaiting a real challenge. Up to this point no one has been able to give me one.

the Athenians retreated... (none / 0) (#31)
by nathan on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 07:04:21 PM PST
...and put up a trophy.

Nathan
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Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 
I'm curious. (none / 0) (#29)
by nathan on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 04:25:25 PM PST
You believe in a head honcho god. Why do you need forest spirits to help you relate to him? Does this god not care about us? That seems to be the implication if there is an omniscient, omnipotent creator to whom we can't speak. If he cared about us, presumably he would find ways for each of us, individually, to enter into communion with him.

I am also a little confused by your assertion that your biblical quotes support your position. Can you please explain how they do so?

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

Forest Spirits? (none / 0) (#36)
by S R on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 03:03:11 PM PST
Where did forest spirits come from? I'm going to quote this, because I like it a lot:

"Does this god not care about us? That seems to be the implication if there is an omniscient, omnipotent creator to whom we can't speak. If he cared about us, presumably he would find ways for each of us, individually, to enter into communion with him."

I believe God cares about us. In my opinion, God is infinite and without comprehension. To be truly infinite, and thus incapable of comprehension by finite beings, this means God is without limitations. If God is truly the Alpha and the Omega, then everything is God and of God, and nothing exists without God. This is panentheism, as opposed to pantheism. As such, so long as the individual is adhering to a path that reveres and honors God, then they are entering into communion with God -- so long as they are actively pursuing this path.

As far as the quotes from the Bible, here you go.

"Assuredly I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel! And I say to you that many will come from east and west, and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matthew 8:10-12)

Jesus tells us right here, that it is faith that leads us to heaven and the life of being faithful. He states also that there will be many who are not a Christian or Jew who wil be in heaven, while there are both Christians and Jews who will not.

"Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, `Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, The One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you" (Acts 17:22-23)

And here we have Paul stating that the concept of Deity shared by many Pagans and Wiccans is also the concept of Deity shared by Christians. Many Wiccans and Pagan will tell you that there is a single Deity who is uncomprehensible and undefinable, of which all other deities are but reflections. As such, this uncomprehensible and undefinable (infinite) Deity is the true Creatrix of the Universe and Life. These other deities are but aspects reflected upon, based upon the nature and actions noticed by individuals at a specific time. For example, when God healed someone, they defined him as a healer God. We know he is much more, but by defining him as a healer God they have created a reflection as God cannot be limited. The Egyptians were famous for this.

I disagree. (none / 0) (#43)
by nathan on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 09:29:12 AM PST
I think your use of Acts is very dubious. If Paul thought that the Athenians were worshipping God properly, why did he feel the need to evangelize to them? As for the verses from Matthew, it's not clear to me that Jesus was saying that good Christians might be excluded from Heaven. Perhaps those who say, "Lord, Lord," but are without faith, won't participate in the Kingdom of Heaven; but that's an argument to develop your faith, not to accept any faith as valid.

If your understanding of God is that He is omnipotent and illimitable, how would your God be prevented from establishing a personal relationship with any free-willed person who wanted one? Our human limitations would easily be accounted for by God. Why is an intermediary diety or an aspect diety necessary? While we're on the subject, it's a little sloppy to say that aspect dieties are paths to God, considering that they have cults in their own right rather than in the name of God. I don't know of too many pagan religions that explicitly worship aspect dieties as aspects.

Some mealy-mouthed 'unkowable creatrix' hoo-ha is no match for God. When did anyone do anything worth caring about in the name of divine energy, or the universal spirit, or whatever the fashionable term is these days?

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

The things that are... (none / 0) (#44)
by S R on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 04:11:13 PM PST
He was teaching them of God. It says so in my quote. "Therefore, The One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you" (Acts 17:22-23).

And also in my opinion, because they obviously worshipped other deities. I would think, that there was very little understanding and very little evidence to support the idea that these early Pagans had any serious knowledge concerning this "Unknown God" as referenced.

No it doesn't refer to "good Christians" but that is exactly the point. How many Christians can honestly say they live, without exception, the guidelines set forth in the Bible -- particularly those as set forth by Jesus?

"If your understanding of God is that He is omnipotent and illimitable, how would your God be prevented from establishing a personal relationship with any free-willed person who wanted one? "

Why would he be prevented from establishing one? Is there some unwritten law that states God can't? Am I to understand here that because you personally do not agree with something God mustn't agree with it as well? The way I see it, the only one who can prevent God from doing anything is Himself. My view or yours.

"Our human limitations would easily be accounted for by God. "

Why would he account for them? He has given us free will. So I see no need for Him to account for anything we do. It is our choice as to how we live, whether properly or not. We are accountable for our actions, not anyone else.

"While we're on the subject, it's a little sloppy to say that aspect dieties are paths to God, considering that they have cults in their own right rather than in the name of God. "

I didn't say that. I only stated that it is how many Pagans and Wiccans perceive the nature of True Deity these days. Aspect deities are only paths to that aspect. It might be seen as a follower of God as Jesus, as opposed to God proper. Or God as Holy Spirit (if you subscribe to that philosophy). Or God as Avenger. Or God as Redeemer. Or God as Judge. Or God as whatever. In my opinion these people choose these aspects because they prefer not to recognize the other aspects. Just as a Christian might think God eternal benevolent. Yet we find in the Bible areas where God is not entirely benevolent, but sometimes harsh and unyielding.

"I don't know of too many pagan religions that explicitly worship aspect dieties as aspects."

Some Traditional Wiccans do. So do some Traditional Witches, such as the Dianic Tradition. As do many Universalist Pagans. A great many theosophists and spiritualists do, referring to it as the All. The way they name it doesn't matter, as that is only a label that helps them best relate to the concept of an Undefinable Deity.

"Some mealy-mouthed 'unkowable creatrix' hoo-ha is no match for God."

Are they in some sort of confrontation? This sounds an aweful lot like the "my dad can beat up your dad" bs from elementary school. What makes them "no match for God"? What exactly defines them as being capable of competing? What exactly are they competing for?

"When did anyone do anything worth caring about in the name of divine energy, or the universal spirit, or whatever the fashionable term is these days?"

Hmm...let us see here. Where would you like me to start? Ethics? How about the Daoists? Buddhists? Works of Art? Once again we can refer to the Buddhists, Daoists, Native Americans (Great Spirit). Philosophy? Mathematics? Poetry? What do you want to hear?

 
That's all very well and good (none / 0) (#30)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 05:20:37 PM PST
I won't get into a discussion about the fact that wiccans worship the devil, and allow him to share their bed, whether they are men or women, but I suppose I should ask, how is it possible for Nathan to worship the devil and still be a christian?

Besides, your understanding of Wicca is painfully incomplete. Wiccans claim to worship two deities: an undefined God power and his concubine. They'd worship his wife, but there's no such thing as a Wiccan marriage. That would imply that one participant in an orgy has prior claim to another. Can't restrict the free love, you know.

Even this is something of a lie, as their spells and incantations prove. In order to be a wiccan, you have to worship not only imaginary elves and fairies, and tiny woodland creatures, but you also have to worship the sky, the moon, the trees, and during some festivals, your own genitals and those of the grand warlock, who leads the coven. Of course, wiccanism is not restrictive, and would never require that you worship only those spirits which they've made up. You're quite within your rights to worship any other spirits you can come up with, too. If you think your dog is telling you to kill people, he's probably some kind of spirit god.

Liberalists are attracted to wicca because of its unwillingness to claim that any religions other than christianity are false. In a spineless political move, the wiccan doctrine states, "Don't ye hassle anyone's gig, man. Prithee." Of course, real religions are bound by faith to consider all other religions, including atheism, to be false. Wicca, in schoolyard terms, would be the skinny, bespectacled nerd who's too puny to stand up to the big kids and assert himself.

Wiccan Deities (none / 0) (#37)
by S R on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 03:17:04 PM PST
"I won't get into a discussion about the fact that wiccans worship the devil, and allow him to share their bed, whether they are men or women, but I suppose I should ask, how is it possible for Nathan to worship the devil and still be a christian? "

You'll have to get into that discussion if you are going to make that claim. Is devil worship older than Christianity? Because, considering the fact that Wiccans follow pre-Christian (ie Pagan) gods and goddesses and by your accusation worship the devil. Then it must also be stated that worship of the Devil is older than Christianity. And if this is so, then you might want to look into what the Gnostics say about God-proper according to the Christians.


Actually Wiccans follow the Goddess and HER consort, not the other way around. Nice try though.

"They'd worship his wife, but there's no such thing as a Wiccan marriage. That would imply that one participant in an orgy has prior claim to another. Can't restrict the free love, you know. "

This is very interesting. You begin with a lame concept of Wiccan theology, and jump into some rant on marriage and orgies. Must you always resort to emotional blinds?

"In order to be a wiccan, you have to worship not only imaginary elves and fairies, and tiny woodland creatures, but you also have to worship the sky, the moon, the trees, and during some festivals, your own genitals and those of the grand warlock, who leads the coven. "

Worhip imaginary elves and fairies? Interesting. What Trad says that? Could you please quote for me. You have to worship the sky and moon? Please quote that one also. Grand Warlock who leads the coven? I think you've watched too many movies. The coven leader is the High Priestess, followed by the High Priest. Wiccans like to say they are on equal ground, but that is not the practice.

"Of course, real religions are bound by faith to consider all other religions, including atheism, to be false. Wicca, in schoolyard terms, would be the skinny, bespectacled nerd who's too puny to stand up to the big kids and assert himself."

Actually, barring Christianity, most other religions really could care less. They tend to think that everyone has their own path to God, and that religion is personal not mass produced. In schoolyard terms, Wiccans are those with the guts enough to go out and look for their own lot in life. On the other hand Christians have a tendency to accept what is put before them without any further investigation. Not only that, but they don't even look into the deeper meaning of the written word (Bible) and instead only accept what others tell them.




Devil worship is older than Christianity (none / 0) (#40)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 07:58:46 PM PST
Wiccanism isn't, though. But devil worship obviously is. I don't know what sort of person would think it wasn't. A genius, I guess.


Explanation, please (none / 0) (#45)
by S R on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 04:18:03 PM PST
Please explain to me why devil worship is older than Christianity. I would also like to know your theory on just exactly why devil worship came first. Perhaps there is a divine plan as to why devil worship spread before Christianity.

I'm going to ask a few local priests what their opinion on this subject is. I'm sure they'll find it humorous.

They'll agree with me (none / 0) (#47)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 05:24:44 PM PST
You'd be an idiot not to.

Avoiding the subject? (none / 0) (#48)
by S R on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 06:28:28 PM PST
"You'd be an idiot not to."

This does not constitute an explanation or supporting evidence. Perhaps you'd like to try again?

It should be obvious (none / 0) (#49)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 06:33:43 PM PST
The old testament predates Christ doesn't it?

Interesting (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by S R on Tue Apr 2nd, 2002 at 10:29:58 AM PST
So now Jews are devil worshippers? You're not a Nazi are you?

 
Come on, answer the question. (none / 0) (#20)
by RobotSlave on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 11:51:30 PM PST
Go on, tell nathan and the rest of us how we might go about gaining a better understanding of wicca.


© 2002, RobotSlave. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Understanding Wicca (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by S R on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 08:47:30 AM PST
I would suggest finding a Traditional Wicca (Gardnerian or Alexandrian) group in your area and taking the time to become initiated. Once initiated spending the time to learn the teachings and practices.

The only way to truly understand anything is to immerse yourself in it. Otherwise you are a spectator, and that does not compare to the actual experience.

I don't understand. (none / 0) (#28)
by nathan on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 04:19:32 PM PST
How is the Qabala different from wicca, then?

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

It is not... (none / 0) (#39)
by S R on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 03:27:48 PM PST
This goes for anything. A thing can only be truly experienced by immersing yourself in the "thing" (be it religion, sports, sex, music, or whatever).

well then. (none / 0) (#42)
by nathan on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 08:08:53 AM PST
Are you currently immersed in wicca and the Qabala?

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 
I was hoping you'd say that. (none / 0) (#32)
by RobotSlave on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 03:58:34 AM PST
You told us in an older post that you are not a wiccan, nor a member of any coven.

Now you tell us, in this thread, that one should learn about wicca only from members of a practising coven.

It follows, then, that no-one should seek to learn anything about wicca from you, S R. You have effectively stated that nothing you say about the subject at hand has any validity whatsoever.

I think nathan and others are now free to reject every unsupported assertion you have made, and to use whatever sources they feel are appropriate in advancing a critical understanding of wicca.


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It would seem the logical conclusion... (none / 0) (#38)
by S R on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 03:24:39 PM PST
You are quite correct on what I told you in an older post. But you also fail to know my history or where I come from. Although, you do make the immense effort to assume in order to support your claims.

I stated "By the way, I'm neither Wiccan or a member of any coven. " Now if you look real closely, it doesn't say "I have never been", instead only states that "I'm currently not".

It was a wonderful attempt though, really. Keep digging. Lawyers do that exact same thing in court, but at least they make the attempt to make sure their defamation is sound before going off half cocked.

Limited understanding leads to premature ejaculation of the mouth.


Again, expected. (none / 0) (#41)
by RobotSlave on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 12:37:27 AM PST
Are you saying, then, that nathan and others can obtain a meaningful understanding of wicca from yourself, S R, and not just from pacticing wiccans?


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You're definitely digging deep.... (none / 0) (#46)
by S R on Mon Apr 1st, 2002 at 04:25:08 PM PST
I can see that you are working overtime on this one.

As I've stated before, the only way to gain any real understanding is to immerse yourself in the experience. Because I have experienced it, I am qualified to speak about it with real understanding. Unless they can immerse themselves in experiencing Wicca through me, then no they can't gain any real understanding of it from me. But, they can discuss it with me, and perhaps clarify it to an extent, and in all likelihood gain a better understanding from me than from the sources they are relying on currently.

You shouldn't try so hard to discredit me, but instead work a little harder to disprove my statements. You'd have a better chance of that, particularly since there is no one here that supports me in my statements. As such, I have nothing to discredit in this forum.

On the other hand, you can continue if you want. I'm sure it makes you feel that you are accomplishing something worthwhile. And the Lord knows everyone needs something in their life.

 
Majick (none / 0) (#11)
by Slubberdegullion on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 08:13:43 PM PST
In order that the Goddess not reveal her existence to unbelievers, She makes sure that Her effects are exactly in line with what would be statistically predicted.

 
As a Christian... (none / 0) (#13)
by tkatchev on Thu Mar 28th, 2002 at 10:55:38 PM PST
...you shouldn't really be involved in such things. You may not personally place much stock in these matters, but they have a tendency to suck you in.

"Dungeons and dragons", for example.


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Peace and much love...

Wicca is worse (none / 0) (#18)
by S R on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 09:25:21 PM PST
Wicca is far worse than D&D. At least D&D limits you by making you roll dice. With Wicca you can wander off into never never land, with no hope of return.

 
I'm not sure .. (4.00 / 1) (#14)
by seventypercent on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 09:11:53 AM PST
.. what this has to do with Wicca. Wicca is the holy city of Islam. It is located in Saudi Arabia. Islamicists are required to face it and pray to it several times a day, but to the best of my knowledge, they do not cast spells of the type that you related above.

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Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

You forgot to mention (4.00 / 1) (#16)
by jvance on Fri Mar 29th, 2002 at 02:00:20 PM PST
The Holy Month of Ramadude. It has something to do with fasting, refraining from heterosexual sex, prostating oneself, and mooning
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You know... (none / 0) (#25)
by derek3000 on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 10:36:49 AM PST
my grandad has a Reliant K. He's always complaining about it having 'too much pep' for him.

You might not laugh if you've seen him drive.


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"Feel me when I bring it!" --Gay Jamie

 
"So mote it be"? (none / 0) (#21)
by tkatchev on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 12:38:37 AM PST
"Mote" as in "a mote of dust", or what? What am I missing in this picture?


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Peace and much love...

It's necessary (none / 0) (#22)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sat Mar 30th, 2002 at 12:47:38 AM PST
The spirits of the woodland elves are deeply affected, and only respond to modern English if it is peppered with words and phrases that haven't been used for centuries.

 
For Nathan... (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 06:32:02 AM PST
The guy who wrote this site really did his homework. I know you'll enjoy it. http://www.whywiccanssuck.com/links.html
Have fun, and make sure to read as much of it as you possibly can. It's a really good page.

 
For Nathan... (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 06:32:59 AM PST
The guy who wrote this site really did his homework. I know you'll enjoy it. http://www.whywiccanssuck.com Have fun, and make sure to read as much of it as you possibly can. It's a really good page.

Oh, and please keep in mind... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Mar 31st, 2002 at 06:38:25 AM PST
This page talks about the "fluffy bunny" Wiccans, and doesn't try to disprove the religion itself, in fact, it supplies a lot of information that you've asked for in past posts. This page is dedicated to putting those Wiccans who just say they're Wiccan because they think it's "cool" in their place. Great informational site, though.

 

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