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Aware of Open Source License Implications?
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Votes: 44

 Linux Zealot is Busted

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Dec 17, 2001
One of my main loves in life is Linux Tarvaldez's shareware operating system Linux.

Few are aware of the differences between RMS's open source license and ESR's free software license.

Many sites are too scared to discuss this issue, but not - the most controversial site on the Internet.


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Linux Zealot goes to the Movies
Free software means that the software can be given away without charging money for it - free as in speech. Free software can be identified by carefully examining the software title. If the software is preceded with GNU then the license is a free software license, which allows software to be distributed free of charge.

The open source license, on the other hand, requires a license fee be paid to the copyright holder. Software such as the Linux Operating System falls in the category of open source software, and many users of this system are not aware that they infringe on the license when they fail to pay license fees.

Many Linux zealots enjoy fellowship and camaraderie with fellow Linux zealots at Linux zealot User Groups - commonly known as LUGs. LUGs are a cesspool of piracy, where Linux Zealots and their illegal CD writers copy open source software between each other, avoiding the payment of license fees. They got away with this crime until recently, when governments around the world started arresting hackers.

Piracy results in honest people paying inflated license fees to recover lost profits of struggling American enterprises.

Look at what happens to Linux Zealot at once such meeting, when the law finally catches up with him. I hope that the important messages in this poorly drawn cartoon are not lost on the open source community.

This is Linux Zealot, panel 1

This is Linux Zealot, panel 2

This is Linux Zealot, panel 3

This is Linux Zealot, panel 4


Breathtaking! (5.00 / 5) (#5)
by flarners on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 05:53:49 PM PST
While, on the surface, this cartoon superficially resembles the multitude of mediocre strips which pervade the Internet, I, as a world-renowned art critic, must applaud the deep impressionistic undercurrents which accent your work. So much so, that I feel I must dissect it on a frame-by-frame basis:

  1. Frame one: The tension between the coarsely handwritten, almost scrawled "Linux Zealot" marquee and the orderly typewritten font of the subtitle "He just LOVES open-source software" immediately sets the viewer up for tension. The cosmic conflict between chaos and order is accentuated further by the dramatic use of whitespace underneath the text.
  2. Frame two: The tension is further heightened by the clashing of strictly orthogonal vertical and horizontal lines and almost random freehanded scribbles. This reflects most perfectly upon the hero, Linux Zealot, whose savage, apelike appendages conflict deeply with the higher intellect of the average Linux user, suggesting that here lies a man who has had the responsibilities of adulthood foisted upon him while still a child.
  3. Frame three: Proportion is used here in an ironic twist of the medieval style. Before the Renaissance, perspective and realism were cast aside; artists instead depicted important figures such as Jesus and the King as being far larger than the peons they oversaw. There is irony in Linux Zealot's case, however, because his greater size in comparison to "michael" is clearly used to illustrate Linux Zealot's overconfidence which will eventually lead to his downfall.
  4. Frame four: This frame was a bit of a letdown after the cathartic effect of the first three frames. Here, the artist reverts to cheap modern shock tactics in a vain attempt to keep the viewer interested. The FBI agent's mouth is clearly rounded in a manner suggesting that he is getting ready to suck cock. I hope the artist will, in future episodes, refrain from using the two-by-four effect, or at least make it less obvious that he has run out of ideas.

Despite that disappointing final frame, overall this strip is quite the artistic achievement. I look forward to seeing your work progress.
I told everyone we should have a witch-hunt, but they wanted to have a good old-fashioned book burning instead

have you read that article? (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 12:04:13 AM PST
one of these guys needs to read the autism article......

who do you suggest? (none / 0) (#20)
by mjl on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 03:42:20 AM PST
Do you suggest that Linux Zealot or Michael read the autism article?

ANTHRAX reference.. DARING! (none / 0) (#64)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 05:46:46 AM PST
Oh I agree--I do agree!

But! Don't you think the Anthrax reference was... daring!? But so clever, so clever!

Ever heard of.... (1.00 / 2) (#7)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 06:03:46 PM PST
...a spell checker? Who proofs your work, Taco?

spell checker? (5.00 / 4) (#8)
by mjl on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 06:33:12 PM PST
I drafted this article in Microsoft Word, using Word's built-in spell checker. It had trouble with some of my words, such as Lunix but that is because of the specialist nature of the article, and I didn't expect it to be picked up.

The spell checker didn't identify LUG, RMS or ESR because the words are all uppercase. Microsoft Word recognises that words in all upper-case stand for something. Little does Microsoft Word realise that they merely stand for communism.

Some words such as favourite are spelt as I spell them in New Zealand and may confuse readers from North America. Unfortunately, American English is merely an oxymoron. I use English from England, not some hacked version of the language. Hope this clears things up.

wow! cool!!!! (none / 0) (#41)
by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:42:26 PM PST
What a hotbed of internationalism, this great web site is!

Being from New Zeland, have you actually met Xena?


Spelling (none / 0) (#66)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 06:37:11 PM PST
I think you'll find that even in NZ "naive" should be spelt "nave"... Or are you just too lazy to type in extended characters? :-P

Linux doesn't handle international characters. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by MessiahWWKD on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 06:46:03 PM PST
Dear Madame,
Operating systems such as Linux are unable to display international characters such as '' in nave. That is why you do not see '' but 'i.'
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

FBI guy and Linux Zealot are the same person!!!!! (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by PotatoError on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 06:57:56 PM PST
Maybe its just me but if you look closely at that cartoon doesnt FBI guy and Linux Zealot look kind of similar?

So this is how I think it REALLY went:

FBI guy is actually Linux Zealot in disguise!!!
See when he left michael he must have shaved his hair and changed into an FBI T-Shirt!! He must be just trying to scare the shit out of michael.
The moral of the cartoon: Never make friends with jokers.

OR maybe.....

Linux Zealot is FBI guy in disguise!!!

He must have disguised himself to pretend he was michaels friend and then made him install illegal software so he could arrest him afterwards!!!
This one makes more sense as entrapment is just the kind of thing the FBI might do.
The moral of the cartoon: none really.


Serious problem (5.00 / 1) (#12)
by legolas on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 07:49:41 PM PST
If it is true that Linux Zealot is simply FBI guy in disguise, then this situation gets far more complicated. If FBI guy (disguised as Linux Zealot) actually persuided michael to commit an uncontemplated illegal act, then FBI would be guilty of Legal Entrapment. As precidented time and time again, the practice of an Officer of the Peace coercing criminal acts is illegal in much of the western world.

Most likely, if michael got a good enough lawyer, he could get his piracy conviction thrown out on grounds that FBI guy disguised as Linux Zealot coerced him into illegal acts he wouldn't otherwise do (which is very evident by his pointed questions to Linux Zealot), as well as Linux Zealot being a figure of authority.


trust heals the soul (2.50 / 2) (#39)
by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:39:33 PM PST
Oh, please. Stop with the conspiracy theories already. Have recent terrorist acts completely unhinged you guys?

Why can't you just trust?


trust heals the soul (2.00 / 1) (#40)
by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:40:15 PM PST
Oh, please. Stop with the conspiracy theories already. Have recent terrorist acts completely unhinged you guys?

Why can't you just trust?


Contradicted by the title... (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 10:39:08 AM PST
That's contradicted by the title, "Linux Zealot is Busted".

Notice that the "Michael" character blurts out a confession in panel 4, and incriminates "Linux Zealot". "Linux Zealot" probably gets arrested shortly afterwards.

The moral of the story is that, if you're being questioned by law enforcement, you should *immediatly* ask to see a lawyer. Even if you think you've done nothing wrong.

the whole article is funny but is wrong. (1.00 / 2) (#10)
by PotatoError on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 07:30:56 PM PST
That above is exactly what Open source is not. Your not allowed to demand any sort of fee for open source programs. If you do, then its not open source. You also have to include all of your source code with your program. The user has the right to compile, copy, modify and distribute this source code (although they are not usually allowed to distribute modified source code under the original name for obvious reasons). The user can also include some or all of the source code in thier own programs. Basically the whole idea of open source is to say "here is some of my source code - use it how you want. Its yours and I have no rights to impose any rights or tell you how to use it". This allows code to be exchanged and easily obtained by programmers rather than the usual trawl of copyrights. It also allows programs to be improved and other people to point out flaws and ways of improving the code. Errors and bugs in Linux can be fixed by the user because it is open source. On windows you have to rely on microsoft maybe fixing it. You might be confusing open source with shareware. Also on this note: The FBI wont come knocking on your door for copyright infringement. Its up to the company who's product you have infringed to prosecute you. Ive seen a video of some guy actually calling microsofts piracy hotline trying to turn himself in for pirating Office97 but they just didnt care. http:\\

check with the FSF (1.00 / 2) (#14)
by NAWL on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 11:58:08 PM PST
The whole entire article is wrong. The post I am responding to is only half right.

The GNU/GPL was created by Richard Stallman who had founded the Free Software Foundation in 1984. There are no licensing fee involved in GPL'd software. The GNU General Public License was created to do away with traditional licensing. People are often bewildered by the fact that the GNU and the GPL have exist much longer than Linux. In fact it has existed since the early days of the GNU Prject as well as the development of their own kernel, HURD

Your not allowed to demand any sort of fee for open source programs.

Just like they exist in the Windows/Mac/etc camp, so to do the morons exist in the Linux camp. I seriously suggest you check out the FSF. Not only does the link I provide explain the parent post but also proves the author of this "article" to be an idiot.

Many people believe that the spirit of the GNU project is that you should not charge money for distributing copies of software, or that you should charge as little as possible -- just enough to cover the cost.
Actually we encourage people who redistribute free software to charge as much as they wish or can. If this seems surprising to you, please read on.
The word ``free'' has two legitimate general meanings; it can refer either to freedom or to price. When we speak of ``free software'', we're talking about freedom, not price. (Think of ``free speech'', not ``free beer''.) Specifically, it means that a user is free to run the program, change the program, and redistribute the program with or without changes.
Free programs are sometimes distributed gratis, and sometimes for a substantial price. Often the same program is available in both ways from different places. The program is free regardless of the price, because users have freedom in using it.

Want more?

Except for one special situation, the GNU General Public License (GNU GPL) has no requirements about how much you can charge for distributing a copy of free software. You can charge nothing, a penny, a dollar, or a billion dollars. It's up to you, and the marketplace, so don't complain to us if nobody wants to pay a billion dollars for a copy.
The one exception is in the case where binaries are distributed without the corresponding complete source code. Those who do this are required by the GNU GPL to provide source code on subsequent request. Without a limit on the fee for the source code, they would be able set a fee too large for anyone to pay--such as, a billion dollars--and thus pretend to release source code while in truth concealing it. So in this case we have to limit the fee for source, to ensure the user's freedom. In ordinary situations, however, there is no such justification for limiting distribution fees, so we do not limit them.
Sometimes companies whose activities cross the line of what the GNU GPL permits plead for permission, saying that they ``won't charge money for the GNU software'' or such like. They don't get anywhere this way. Free software is about freedom, and enforcing the GPL is defending freedom. When we defend users' freedom, we are not distracted by side issues such as how much of a distribution fee is charged. Freedom is the issue, the whole issue, and the only issue.

Basically the whole idea of open source is to say "here is some of my source code - use it how you want. Its yours and I have no rights to impose any rights or tell you how to use it".

While that's half right you make it seem that all open source licenses are the same as the BSD licensing scheme.

Since the family of mindless uninformed retards seem to enjoy pointing to references from MS I suggest you read this little tidbit from the first of several documents known as the Microsoft Halloween documents . And before anyone goes off on a rant about how they are just hacker myths cough*elenchos*cough, MS was forced to admit to the validity of the documents.

Open Source Software (OSS) is software in which both source and binaries are distributed or accessible for a given product, usually for free. OSS is often mistaken for "shareware" or "freeware" but there are significant differences between these licensing models and the process around each product.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

Mr. Loser (5.00 / 2) (#19)
by mjl on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 03:39:00 AM PST
Mr. Loser,

The folks at spend a lot of time researching their facts and do not appreciate it when people without credibility, such as yourself, attack their vital and informative work from out of no where.

Your homepage is listed as, the markings of a troll. Trolling is not tolerated at Telling the readership of this fine site to piss off in your email address is not a good way to make friends. The correct spelling of "Windoze" is Windows. Proof read your post and get your spelling correct please.

I hope that you apologise to the editors for creating an unnecessary disturbance and move along. Feel free to express your communist propaganda about shareware, but please do not do it here.

Thanks in advance

A correction (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 03:50:33 AM PST
Mr NAWL's originially posted homepage was, not

It is you who is wrong (none / 0) (#23)
by error27 on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 05:45:20 AM PST
Mjl was correcting only the spelling where Nawl had the letters reversed.

Nerds and geeks by nature are not very good at spelling. This is because they are too used too focusing on minutiae instead of looking at the larger picture. You can think about it as a type of autism. It shows up in other places too. Geek autism is part of the reason they get beaten up in school and why they can't get dates. When writing the comment Nawl can not understand that grammar and spelling are important because he is too focussed on talking about GNU propaganda.

It's sad, really.

Geek autism? (none / 0) (#26)
by PotatoError on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 07:29:22 AM PST
Geek autism - there is no such thing. My spelling and grammer is as good as the next average person. Up to the age of about 14 it was above average. But when you start typing a lot you tend to change your spelling to shorten certain words, or even change whole sentences to be grammatically incorrect but still convey the same message faster. After all I didnt take English so you would expect my grammer and spelling to stay at this level. Purposeful misspelling is done by everyone for speed now and again. Its the reason why those little kids with mobile phones start sending "hi m8, how r u doin". There's no such thing as geek autism. I suppose you talk only about the computer world but people who got beaten up at school and can't get dates are spread over every every subject. You know, maybe the reason people into subjects like Physics, Computing, Maths and Electronics cant get dates easily is because girls avoid these subjects (is it cuz they cant do it or because something deep down inside them doesnt want to?). How easy it is for a bloke taking biology when half his class comprises of females. Then look at a computing class where you might be lucky to find 1 girl per 20 blokes..1 very popular girl usually. Grammer and spelling arent important. Some people actually use language for functionally to convey ideas not for making works of art out of it by dressing it up.

Average people (none / 0) (#27)
by nobbystyles on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 07:44:53 AM PST
Use fucking paragraphs and spacing.

Well obviously getting a date was low down on your priority list if you attended Computer Science classes. Two reasons: either you're autistic and can't handle the social interaction or you're gay. You're probably both.

or maybe.... (none / 0) (#58)
by PotatoError on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 03:19:01 PM PST
No it was quite high actually. But only complete idiots would avoid their favorite subject just to get laid a few extra times. right?
Maybe you dont understand what autism is.
Maybe you understand all to well what being gay is.
Maybe i dont care. no, actually i dont.


Stop bragging... (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 09:08:29 AM PST
...if you can't even spell the word "grammar"

grammer (none / 0) (#59)
by PotatoError on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 03:22:53 PM PST
didnt say my grammer was good - just that its at the same level as many people's. I mean theirs is shit too I guess :)

Out of Your League (5.00 / 1) (#60)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 04:44:33 PM PST
Dear Mr. Error,

Perhaps you fail to notice the header of this fine site, so I will remind you that Adequacy is news for grown-ups. Since you are still a minor attending one of the many fine high schools of America, you do not belong here. Please return from whence you came. Your grammar might be average among your uneducated peers, but here at Adequacy, the most controversial site on the Internet, you are out of your league.

Your mockery of the gentle Irish people is also very childish and very unamusing.

Janus Shelley, Educator
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

mwhahhaa (none / 0) (#62)
by PotatoError on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 05:01:14 PM PST
look yea what is it with this Irish thing? is it some joke or something? Maybe if I called myself PotatoFamineError it would be justified but PotatoError hardly has any Irish connections does it? i mean seriously. Maybe if I called myself SpudMistake this wouldnt have started?

Now I dont really dont have a view about the Irish one way or another but I wouldnt want to start hating them just because a load of people are used them to drive me crazy.

And actually im almost 10!!!! So there!!!

Sorry (none / 0) (#81)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 26th, 2001 at 11:55:36 AM PST
I just noticed how, after your long-winded attack on PotatoError's grammar, you wrote out your signature despite the fact that you obviously have some automatic signature generator running.

Incidentally, PotatoError is one of the few regulars who post anything other personal attacks and nitpicking people's spelling and grammar, like yourself. In lieu of your signature mistake (which indicates to me you are capable of error, and should perhaps return to high school along with PotatoError), you should try add something to the discussion, other than attacking the grammar on posts.

Educator indeed.


so lemme get this straight (none / 0) (#29)
by nathan on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 09:33:19 AM PST
Your misspellings are evidence that you're better than people who don't misspell?

Glad we cleared that one up. I mean, as a programmer (I'm assuming,) you ought to know that only losers bother to write code that'll parse.

All the best,
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:52:31 PM PST
Potato - I have a serious question for you. Please respond.

How can you be such a rabid irish hater? Do you realize that irish people start weeping after reading your cruel login ID? How can you continually remind them of their horrible agricultural error?

If you do not respond, I will be forced to get an account with the ID "CatholicError"


okay... (none / 0) (#57)
by PotatoError on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 03:10:55 PM PST
My handle isnt supposed to have that meaning. It had nothing to do with Irish when I made it up.

If anyone, Irish or not, really gets upset by it then I guess I would just have laugh in their face like this:

As im sure you do when people with phobias of long words complain about your ID.

Childish Bigotry (none / 0) (#61)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 04:59:46 PM PST
My handle isnt supposed to have that meaning. It had nothing to do with Irish when I made it up.

Your denial is typical of a true bigot. Please spread your anti-Irish bigotry somewhere else.

Janus Shelley, Educator
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

What is the difference between E and W Germany ? (none / 0) (#63)
by philipm on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 07:34:05 PM PST
What is the difference between East and West Germany ?

I'll tell you. The West Germans were conquered by the capitalists and spent the last 60 years in self examination about why they were such evil fucks and killed all those people. As a result they now have one of the best economies in the world.
The East germans were conquered by the communists and spent the last 60 years as apologists for the communists Stalin genocides and spying on themselves to see if they do bad things. They are now welfare queens for proper germans everywhere.

Which one do you want to be? Capitalist, or communist?

This is you moment. Decide.


You sir, have no clue. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by theR on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 08:55:10 PM PST
My spelling and grammer is as good as the next average person. Up to the age of about 14 it was above average. But when you start typing a lot you tend to change your spelling to shorten certain words, or even change whole sentences to be grammatically incorrect but still convey the same message faster.

Your spelling and grammar are not 'as good as the next average person' if you are changing spelling to shorten words or if your sentences are grammatically incorrect. Also, who in their right mind brags about being average? Is that the goal we are shooting for?

Any person with some sense will also realize that it is better to accurately and proplerly convey one's message the first time than to try and use some sort of typing shorthand that can easily be misinterpreted or not even understood by anybody that does not use the same method.

My spelling and grammar is far above average, including when I am typing. I have been touch typing for more than half my life, and I can assure you that my typing skills have at no time deteriorated into taking shortcuts to make it (supposedly) easier for me while making it more difficult for the reader, which is what you seem to advocate. As for the rest of your post regarding dates, subjects, girls, and so forth, I find it difficult to understand what point, if any, you are trying to make. Maybe if you work on actually conveying your message clearly, rather than concentrating on creating shortcuts for typing the English language, we will all understand the point you are trying to make, though I think not.

So, to put it in terms you may understand better:
Learn 2 type plz, k thx.

It's all right to cry,
Crying takes the sad out of you.

-- Rosey Grier

No surprises here... (none / 0) (#78)
by sdem on Sat Dec 22nd, 2001 at 09:53:45 AM PST
But when you start typing a lot you tend to change your spelling to shorten certain words, or even change whole sentences to be grammatically incorrect but still convey the same message faster.

This is an indication of poor typing skills more than anything else. There is no excuse for poor grammer or speling, especially for native English speakers.

Grammer (sic.) and spelling arent important. Some people actually use language for functionally to convey ideas not for making works of art out of it by dressing it up.

Clearly you should stay away from any "geeky" jobs such as programming or engineering, as both have exacting standards in regard to spelling and syntax. When you, for example, misspell function names when you call them in a large application written in C, you have to compile the whole damn thing before even finding out your error, at which point you have to go back in and fix it. If I had a programmer like that working under me, I would fire him faster than he could say "GNU" for wasting valuable company time fixing stupid mistakes.

The only place where you would even find yourself accepted by your peers would be in writing "scripts" in Pearl, a language written and designed by another dyslexic to be as messy and unmaintainable as possible.

Sorry to inform you... (none / 0) (#69)
by NAWL on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 12:52:08 AM PST
...but IS the correct spelling. It's a stupid little website. If you were to actually vist it you would be well aware that the site exists and is not simply a spelling error.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

you still havent got it... (none / 0) (#71)
by mjl on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 01:29:54 AM PST
my complaint with you, sir, is that your user details are offensive. i look at this wonderful site and see it complete with nativity scene. you are spoiling the christmas spirit that i enjoy as a God fearing man.

please change your home page and your email address. I am pleased that you have removed the snide remark about windows users.

i dont want any more argument about this matter on this article. if you don't like it, go elsewhere.

Re: Mr. Loser (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:56:44 AM PST
I am just curious about one thing on this site. Why you folks at adequacy always bitch about someones credibility and/or grammar after he convicts you of inaccuracy. Why don't you place some arguments instead?


P.S. : if there aro no errors in my text, you can still accuse me of being Linux user (which I am), European (detto), but please not being communist.

That's quite OK (3.66 / 3) (#30)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 01:05:31 PM PST
There are plenty of errors in your text, so we won't have to point out your ideological or genetic deficiencies.

Adequacy points out the lack of credibility in some correspondants as a service to the community. Since the internet is an open forum, it is easy for people to tell quite blatant lies and have them believed. In order to discourae this practise, adequacy takes steps to ensure that no idle readers are deceived by insidious lies from cynical media manipulators.

You've already proven that fact, chum! (1.00 / 1) (#68)
by PaleGringo on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 11:54:41 PM PST
Quoth the Raven:

"Since the internet (last I checked, Mr. Gibbons, 'Internet' was spelled with a capital I.) is an open forum, it is easy for people to tell quite blatant lies and have them believed. In order to discourae (Another misspelled word?) this practise, adequacy takes steps to ensure that no idle readers are deceived by insidious lies from cynical media manipulators."

Quite true? Take for instance, sir, your post from December 2nd... I know you remember it:

Is Your Son a Computer Hacker?

Suppose for an instant that your "few days of investigation, and some research into computer hacking" was all-inclusive. You doubtlessly left no stone unturned, and did enough research to write a college-level thesis statement complete with bibliographic hyperlinks to the many conclusive sites you visited. In that article, sir, as you will recall, you stated that "AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, 'knock-off' copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops."

Now, from the objective reader standpoint that I tried my hardest to maintain, not one of your referenced hyperlinks directed me to the source of that information. Where, pray tell, did you find it? I keep trying to see the disturbing picture in my head...

It is early in the morning... a few moments before the dawn breaks the horizon in Sandakan, Malaysia. A malnourished 6-year-old delicately adds the 17 millionth transistor to his soiled microprocessor, constructed on a straw mat lying on the muddy, unpaved floor of a terra cotta shack that serves as an industrial workshop for AMD's cutting edge hacker processors. Damn his abilities! He has flawed the design and will only be able to make a 750 MHz microprocessor - technology outdated by two years! He will miss his 2.0GHz quota again, but perhaps... just maybe... if he disables "the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking," he can stay the nightly flogging by W.J. Sanders III which is given to all deficient children who cannot meet the efficiency demanded by Advanced Micro Devices.

Quite an interesting word picture, do you not think so, Mr. Gibbons? How AMD has managed to stay in business since 1969 is truly a third-world miracle! I wonder if they are heralded by some of those third-world countries as local dieties! Then too, let's not forget the many woes that come from online games, such as "Quake ... an online virtual reality used by hackers. It is a popular meeting place and training ground, where they discuss hacking and train in the use of various firearms."

Keep your children off Quake! Hackers meet there! But, by all means, let them visit the safer domains of Quake II, Quake III Arena, Diablo II, and the ever-popular Everquest. Many fun filled hours can be spent amongst the friendly strangers you meet there!

I think that you, sir, would call me a hacker. What's worse than that, is that I am a hacker that has graduated college three times over and am now making a living sitting in front of a computer, understanding their very being. When they break, I find the fissure and repair it. I work to advance the technology you fear. I spend far more than 30 minutes in front of a computer each day. And, as you can tell from this post, I know the core language of the web... HTML. From my profession, I believe that your ill-informed and poorly composed thoughts are detrimental to the country, the economy, and the entire world. You sir, have shown us in this post one of the most sterling arguments to why some people should never be granted the right to free speech nor be trained on how to use a computer.

I must apologize and digress. Did you see where I was going with this post, Mr. Gibbons? If it helps you at all, go back and read the bolded sections near the top, in the second paragraph.

What it comes down to is you are the very thing you warn others against. defines <U>libel</u> as "A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation." Look over a handful of the 4000+ responses to your post, sir, please. Your articles do little BUT deface or damage reputations. And that, Mr. Gibbons, is my point to you.

You do "tell quite blatant lies and have them believed" and you are one of the "cynical media manipulators." I know from reading your posts, the 'Hacking' one in particular, that you are an educated man, Mr. Gibbons, you do write well, and, for the most part, spell well also. You are not perfect, nor are you "a model parent." Any parent that names their children (six children) after a program on the media most responsible for the degeneration of society (anybody remember "The Brady Bunch?" Carol... Peter... Cindy...) is more of a narcissistical advocate of the Devil himself!

Further, if you are going to belittle a person who has a legitimate question for the site by pointing "out your ideological or genetic deficiencies," or other grammatical errors in a post, you truly are an unintelligent, unreasoning, blunder-headed jestingstock of a man.

I grow weary of writing, so I shall close this post. I'm saving a copy on my computer at my apartment, and will be posting a slightly altered form of this response to your other article. Hope to see something back from you, sir. Rest assured that I will again write the next time you post something worth my time.

Please (none / 0) (#70)
by mjl on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 01:26:01 AM PST
Keep your posts at least a little on topic. If you want to discuss hacking, please do so on the appropriate article.

Mr. Gibbons has my respect for speaking out. You may not agree with what he has to say, but I should hope that you would fight to the death to protect his right to say it.

Well, mjl (none / 0) (#82)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 17th, 2002 at 01:04:37 PM PST
Everyone has the right to slander people and companies. Everyone has the right to bullshit.

convict????? Are you a criminal? (none / 0) (#42)
by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:47:16 PM PST
Why are you using the word "convict". That is not an everyday word, and holds no place in polite discource and viewpoint sharing. Have you recently been in a prison or a courtroom? Is that why you are using such idiotic language?

I would love to talk to you and pool our knowledge, but your criminal mannerisms make that a dicey proposition.


spelling (none / 0) (#74)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 10:35:55 AM PST
I hardly see how you can complain about someone's spelling when in the head of the thread 'Torvalds' was misspelled. For the record, Linus Torvalds wrote the majority of the linux kernel.

These threads have been a lot of laughs. I am worried that some of you actually believe the crap you are spewing though...

You Linux freaks need to shut the fuck up (none / 0) (#75)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 12:31:14 PM PST
It can be spelled any damn way you want in English, because it is a Finnish name. It has no equivalent in English. Have you ever heard of transliteration ?

So we could spell it Lynus, Linus, Leenoos, Lienus, Lienus, etc etc and all would be correct. The same goes for Torvaltes.

As for him writing most of the kernel, that isnt the story I heard. I heard he ripped off Andrew Tannebaums awesome Minix kernel, added the BSD TCP/IP stack and passed it all off as his own work.

you heard wrong (none / 0) (#77)
by NAWL on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 10:59:27 PM PST
Linux was based on Minix as it was a UnixLite which ran on the PC. AT however refused to add the functionality that users requested. So Linus set out writing bits and pieces of code. He later realised that he had written an complete kernel using none of the Minix code.

As far as any OS suing the BSD TCP/IP stack, so what? Seing as how TCP/IP was written at the University of California at Berkeley for UNIX so what?

Windows using the TCP/IP stack from FreeBSD.

Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

you're an idiot (none / 0) (#79)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 22nd, 2001 at 03:44:07 PM PST
It can be spelled any damn way you want in English, because it is a Finnish name. It has no equivalent in English. Have you ever heard of transliteration? So we could spell it Lynus, Linus, Leenoos, Lienus, Lienus, etc etc and all would be correct. The same goes for Torvaltes.

Yes there is such a BIG difference in the spelling between Finnish and English. The ONLY time that you change the spelling of someone's name is when there are no equivalent in the alphabet used in that country. One example is Arabic and English. Usama and Osama is just a difference in pronounciation. Also you try to respect someone's last name as much as possible.

When Linus Torvalds went to work for Transmeta in Claifornia do you think someone said "I hear you pronounce it Linus Torvalds, but I'm gonna call you Leenos Tovarldeleez. Hey becuase you're from Finalnd I'll just call you Fred Mirtz."

If you're name is George and you're from Germany can I spell it Jorj? But you're from Germany and I'm in America so it must be OK. If that same person goes to Mexico that don't start calling him Jorge. All his documentation will say George and people will call him George.

festering twit (5.00 / 1) (#38)
by philipm on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:32:47 PM PST
Excuse me sir!

You show an appaling ignorance of the english language and the conventions of proper debate in a civilized society. Have you ever had an intelligent conversation with ANYONE and tried to communicate with someone other than yourself? Are you interested in talking to people, or just in spreading your psychological problems?

Do you not understand what the word free means? Are you perhaps confused by a certain universally reviled 3 letter person? Free is free: as in the checkout teenager doesn't ask you to pay for it.

Open Source obviously means that you can see the source, but you have to pay for it, or some other business relevant condition. Microsoft is a wonderful open source company.

Why do you continue to twist everyday language? Have you nothing better to do?


Nice Try (5.00 / 4) (#11)
by imadork on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 07:48:07 PM PST
But there are plenty of problems with this comic that makes it less realistic than Real Life.

First of all, from his profound statement in the second frame, we know that the Linux Zealot is very knowledgeable about his operating system, perhaps even an Admin. But he doesn't look like any of the Unix admins that I know.

Second, we all know that FBI agents look flashy, but what you may not realise is that they have no law enforcement abilities -- they are just an agency that operates on behalf of the software companies. To add realism, you should be using a real law enforcement agency.

And last, but certainly not least, you have not scratched the surface when it comes to explaining the true cost of using Open Source software.

RAD! (4.00 / 1) (#13)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 17th, 2001 at 11:57:58 PM PST
Deer Sirs,

Where can I order this most L33t AnthraX T?Shirt?


Sined a Mandrax UUUuuuuser

Bit off base there (1.00 / 5) (#16)
by Canadian Right on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 12:06:36 AM PST
There are two main camps in the Free Software philosophy: Free Software, and Open Source software.

Free Software tries to make sure that free software stays free by insisting that anyone making use of the source-code for a new program has to use the same free software license. You may pay to get a copy of "Free" software delivered, but you never pay for the actual software, and you can't be stopped from distributing the software yourself.

Open source is almost the same, but allows for more varied commercial exploitation of "free" software. Less restrictive licenses that give more control over subsequent distribution of your code are allowed. Open source inists that the source code is always made available, like Free Software.

In general you are ALLOWED to copy and distribute "Free software", but you have to read the fine print if its "Open source".

Anarchists never Rule

In the future and all f'd up (1.00 / 5) (#17)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 02:24:03 AM PST
Here, michael, make a copy of the latest Debian version 7.2

Whoa, 7.2! This cartoon must be set in the future. The current distribution of Debian is 2.x

It has the latest Lunix kernel 2.4.11

A Debian distro from the future using a kernel from the past? And an incompatible kernel at that. You do know the difference between Linux and Lunix right? Linux is a kernel. LUnix (Little UNIX) is an UnixLite OS for the C64, C128, 6502 and other 8 bit CPU platforms with very limited hardware-- like 64K RAM.

and Internet Explorer

I guess in the future MS is passing out licenses for use of IE in other OSes. Either that or the hold out states in the DoJ settlement got what they wanted.

Internet Explorer (5.00 / 3) (#18)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 03:36:59 AM PST
Microsoft has always been releasing versions of IE for operating systems other than windows for years.

Sir, (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Martino Cortez PhD on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 06:59:10 AM PST
I am quite impressed with your judgement. You are very correct. Microsoft is indeed the most inovative of so-called "software developers". His logo appears on many of my "software" that I use for my daily rule of my empire.

I thank you for standing up for this man and his boyfriend - "Bill Gates". We owe them both a round of imported beer.

Dr Martino Cortez, PhD
CEO - Martin-Cortez Financial Corporation
Copyright 2002, Martino Cortez.

What? (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 04:51:46 PM PST
Other operating systemS? MacOS and what else? Their own set top boxes.

Unix ! (5.00 / 1) (#33)
by mjl on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 05:14:13 PM PST
If you are running a Unix operating system like Solaris or HP-UX then you can run Internet Explorer on it.

Operating systems such as Linux that are unix-like-clones are not supported by Microsoft as they are not standards compliant.

In the interests of accuracy (none / 0) (#34)
by because it isnt on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 05:22:26 PM PST
Internet Explorer will run on any OS platform whose owners are willing to pay large sums of money to Microsoft for. This also explains the existance of Microsoft Word on the Macintosh.

Lunix is standards-compliant, it's just not "show-me-the-money" compliant.

However, system administrators for large banking corporations are not recommended to install Internet Explorer for Unix, as the mafia hackers who have been kept out for years would only have to send an HTML email to r00t your b0x3n. -- because it isn't

oh yeah (none / 0) (#47)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 10:40:30 PM PST
Let's not forget EMULATORS. How many companies do you know of that run IE natively on a Unix-platform not including MacOSX?

well... (none / 0) (#48)
by mjl on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 12:59:32 AM PST
...not many.

Microsoft ported Internet Explorer to HP-UX and Solaris to give their interns something to do. While more companies use Solaris and HP-UX than use Linux, the day-to-day use of these high performance Unix computers is not web browsing, that is for sure.

If you are going to browse the web, you might as well do it with an operating system with web enhancement.

internet explorer comes free (none / 0) (#50)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 05:24:27 AM PST
you can download ie free... so even if microsoft is "show me the money" not everything is....

btw... how long do you think theese programers and developers will keep up developing for free!!!!

where? (none / 0) (#56)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 02:53:28 PM PST
Where can you download the full featured IE as opposed to an update (IE5 -> 6)?

Free my ass. It's included in the cost of the OS. Explorer is such an integrated part of Windows.

Microsoft will save the world (none / 0) (#80)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 23rd, 2001 at 05:02:32 PM PST
Microsoft is trying to help you, pathetic freaks, and relieve you from bloated, non-standards compliant, and expensive "browsers" written by dying software companies and small groups of self-taught ego-maniacs. Microsoft is providing its innovative Internet Explorer for free! Moreover, it spends millions of money to devise new standards like XML. Microsoft was there before you were born, you little brat. Why don't you quit whining and accept the reality?

You should be thankful and not ask stupid questions like where do I get a full version. And yes, in the future Microsoft plans to free your sorry ass, with its next release of Windows FA.

Once again, Raymond's treachery is exposed. (5.00 / 2) (#22)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 04:53:58 AM PST
Eric Raymond, the gun-toting gasbag, has attempted to lead the honest software developer down a dark alleyway called "open source". It works something like this:

Evil Corporation: Hi! I really love Linux!
Lunix h4x0r: Wow! Here is all my source code.
Evil Corporation: Thanks! I will openly steal it from you. Good luck feeding your family!

This sort of lunacy must be avoided at all costs. If brave, visionary free software developers are to succeed, they must reject Raymond's canard immediately, otherwise we'll all be talking in newspeak before the year is out. -- because it isn't

Better (5.00 / 2) (#49)
by Right Hand Man on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 04:28:38 AM PST
Eric Raymond, the gun-toting gasbag

You should not have mixed both his redeeming qualities (gun-toting) and his condemning ones (gasbag) in this particular rant. I realize that you may have been attempting to provide Adequacy readers with an unbiased description of Mr.Raymond but it detracts from the overall negative bend of your post.

"Keep your bible open and your powder dry."

If you only dug deeper (5.00 / 2) (#45)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 10:23:39 PM PST
to expose the truth for what it really is.

You should never waste a good opportunity to label these GNU hippies as communists. They even think that music should be free. Bah!

I have come across quite a few of these jerk-cocks myself and I can tell you that 1. Microsoft is a monopoly for a reason and 2. Software can, at best, tell you to take a shower, not make you get one.

Well, maybe that's unfair. But these beeyothches be all up on SomeGuy's dizzick for re-writing a kernel and then selling/not selling the results.
The whole community is hippocritical, but that's already been mentioned here. If you have any sense, you'll stick with the tried-but-true Amiga/Commodore/Microsoft OS that prides itself in beauty and simplicity.

--Rod Schnozzle
NPO Technologies
Senior Consultant

Hey Rod (none / 0) (#46)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 18th, 2001 at 10:33:36 PM PST
Do you know Jon ?

that ninny (none / 0) (#51)
by derek3000 on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 05:47:49 AM PST
is a disgrace to NPO technologies. And to think that he calls himself a "top-flight" senior consultant. that ass-jerk will be my own personal whipping boy come this time next year.

"Feel me when I bring it!" --Gay Jamie

I have nothing but praise for Jon. (none / 0) (#65)
by dmg on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 11:06:50 AM PST
When I worked at a major US investment bank, we got Jon in, with some of his people to decomission our ancient Unix-based bond trading system and replace it with something more up-to-date.

I have never seen such professionalism in all my life. Jon and his team worked miracles. But best of all, the MCSEs he brought with him really knew their sh*t.

I would not hesitate to call him in again, since Jon is one of NPO's top flight guys, and NPO make the big name consultancies look like the pussies that they clearly are.

NPO technologies are a shining beacon in a world of otherwise useless consultancies.

To summarise: If you want it delivered on time, and under budget, call NPO and insist they send you Jon.

thank you.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

Open Golf License! (none / 0) (#52)
by Harry Putter on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 09:01:09 AM PST
This would never had happened if they had used the Open Golf License instead. Then this whole horrible situation would have been settled in a man's way, out on the green eighteen. Besides, have you seen how fat some of those open-source guys are? They could stand to get a bit of fresh air and exercise!

-- FORE!

my $0.02 (1.00 / 2) (#54)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 11:49:31 AM PST
Anyone who believes this sh!t is completely messed in the head. Linux / Lunix is freeware NOT shareware and therefore LEGAL to copy. Also: PLEASE LEARN TO SPELL, you narrow-minded insane baboon's urethreas.

spelling? (none / 0) (#55)
by mjl on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 12:31:18 PM PST
this has already been discussed here.

correct name (1.00 / 1) (#72)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 07:27:38 AM PST
Before you go and make a fool of yourself again make sure you have the names correct. His name is Linus Torvalds.

Spread cheeks insert boot.

Yet another pointless post. (1.00 / 2) (#73)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 21st, 2001 at 09:53:35 AM PST
MJL, if you don't understand or know something, do the FUCKING research first before you unload your crap. This applies to T. Reginald Gibbons or whatever his fucking name is.



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